This would seem to indicate that goblin and orc are two words for the same thing. The Hobbit uses the word 'goblin', but not 'orc' (save for a couple of times, IIRC), and the word seems to be used interchangeably with 'orc' in LotR a few times and it doesn't appear at all in the Sillmarillion. An example would be the tracking-orc that Sam and Frodo see in Mordor, who seems to have been bred as a bloodhound-type scent-tracker. There also seem to be variations in orcs as well. These seem to be separate and different from the Uruk-Hai, because they can pass as human. Sharkey's men and the spies of Saurman in Bree and elsewhere may have been half-man, half-orc. The Half-orc may appear in LotR, although not named as such. The Uruk-Hai seem to be a superior strain of orc (selective breeding?), not half-bred or crossed with anything. In the book, Sauron, not Saruman, created them, although the latter used them quite effectively. The Uruk-Hai first appear about 500 years before the War of the Ring during the final sack of Osgiliath (the ruins bisected by a river in the Return of the King movie). It appears, for instance, that LotR orcs are more affected by sunlight than the minor inconvenience that D&D orcs suffer. The standard orc, seems to be roughly (very roughly) the equivalent of a D&D orc, although arguments could be made about strengths and weaknesses. There seem to be several different species and sub-species in Middle-earth Here's where Gruumsh declared war on the other gods and their races, and then Corellon struck out his eye. From the orcs' point-of-view, they're always fighting to get back what was wrongly taken away from them. "There!" and he struck the hills, creating swamps. "There!" and he struck the forests, creating barren wastes. But Gruumsh hefted his spear and said: "My children have a place! There!" and he struck the mountains, creating vast canyons. As the orcs tell, the other gods laughed at Gruumsh, saying there was no room left for orcs. Mountains went to dwarves, forests to elves, hills went to gnomes, halflings chose wandering and humans would hook up wherever they could make a living. Then they divided the world among their races. The high gods created each a race that best reflected their view of "ideal": Moradin created the dwarves, Corellon created the elves, Garl created the gnomes, Yondalla created the halflings, someone created the humans (they can't agree on which god created them) and Gruumsh created the orcs. ![]() This is from Monster Mythology (as far as I can remember): ![]() You also maight want to check out the DMing Advice link in my sig and find the links for The SHARK Orc and the SHARK Ogre. On page 127 of the DMG, the Orc adjustments ate +4 Strength, and -2 to Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Plus, Aragorn and company had to stop a few times when it was too dark to track the orcs. Plus add to the fact that Aragorn had to track the orcs, and they could gain some distance on three people. Rashak Mani - I think that the Orcs in the Two Towers had a head start of at least an hour as Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli had to commit Boromir's body to the water, look for signs of Sam and Frodo, and begin their pursuit. For example, the orcs of Eberron seem to have little to do with the standard orcs of the Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk, having some influences of an ancient druidical tradition on their culture. However, as I recall from Unfinished Tales and other works, Tolkien eventually decided that they were corrupt men - probably akin to the Druadan, the Wood Woses, in the Lord of the Rings.) In others, they may be the children of Gruumsh - and have very different origins in other worlds entirely. (This is from Tolkien's The Silmarillion. I think each DM has to decide how each race of humanoids fits into the campaign world. ![]() In D&D, it would be saying goblinkin to mean "goblins, hobgoblins, and bugbears." But couldn't stand the sun.įinally, there was the regular goblins of the Misty Mountains.īut all of these breeds were called "orcs" the wasn't any distinction of them except by breed. Then there was the Olog-hai, which I think was a combination of Troll and Orc. Saruman created the "Uruk-Hai" which were a hybrid of troll and Human(?) so that they could be effective in daylight and have high stamina. I wish I had my MERP books here so I could look it up. I think in Middle-Earth there wear different "breeds" of orc. When I watched the movie, I thought "WOW! So that's what its like to fight orcs and goblins!" Personally, I like the orcs and goblins in the movie and books better than I like the D&D orcs. What happened to their piggish-like snouts? look different than those of 2nd and 3rd ed. I actually kinda find it interesting how orcs of 1st ed.
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